We Need To Talk About Stuff Like This (part 2)

Here are some more questions in response to the “6 Things I Hate About Christians” message on the church being anti-homosexual.  You can listen to it here

A person living a homosexual lifestyle is constantly living in sin, but if they know Christ (such as the girl in the letter you read) are they set to live a life in hell if they don’t turn away from that lifestyle?
  • I wouldn’t want to presume somebody’s eternity because only God knows the heart.  That being said, we can often see evidence of changed life and attitudes towards sin as indicators of a relationship with Christ.  If we claim to know Christ but walk in darkness, or if we claim we don’t sin, the truth isn’t in us (1 John 1:6, 8) and the truth here is Jesus and is revealed in and through the Bible.  There’s also an attitude of understanding involved.  Paul himself in Romans 7 spoke about struggling to do the right thing and not being able to pull it off (and I’m quite convinced he knew Christ).  That doesn’t dismiss anything as ok, but there’s a difference between a repentant struggling person who struggles to make the right choice (too often in their own power and not often enough in the strength of the Spirit of God) and the person who has quit fighting and not only gives in, but “approves of those who practice” the same things (Romans 1:32).  I know that doesn’t answer the question, but it’s not mine to answer other than to say sin separates us from God and puts us in danger of His judgement.

When kids do sleepovers, why is it wrong for a boy and girl to spend the night but not 2 girls or 2 guys?  But when you get older, marrying a guy is right but the same sex is wrong?
  • I’m not sure that when we’re talking about kids there’s much thought of a couple of 7 or 8 year olds having sex with the opposite sex, much less with the same sex.  Some parents are just more comfortable with same sex friends spending the night, but there are others who are ok with both.  While not right or wrong, there may be questions of whether or not it’s appropriate or beneficial (something Paul talked about, specifically with regards to sexual activity, in 1 Corinthians 6:12 and then generally in 10:23-33).  Sleepovers aren’t specifically addressed in the Bible.  On the other hand, marriage is.  God created it, defines it and is part of it so he has a say in what it should and shouldn’t look like.  When God’s design is opposite sex monogamous marriage, anything other than that goes against His design and that’s what makes it “wrong.”

In the beginning you said, “We are not good.” then in Romans 12:9 “Hate what is evil, cling to what is good”  God’s creation is good – can you clarify?
  • All mankind is marred.  Ever since Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s command which allowed sin to enter the world, mankind has been born with the same sin nature.  Marred, messed up and anything but good (just hang around some 2 year olds and you’ll see), that’s why Christ came to the world – to redeem us, restore us, and make us right again before God.  Romans 12:9 is specifically related to how we love, where earlier in the same verse it says “Love must be sincere” meaning without hypocrisy.[we talked about that here] Hate, abhor, stay away from loving evil and cling, cleave, unite yourself with what is good.  Really, only God is all good.  In dealing with people who are struggling with sin, we must be careful to be sincere in our love – having the same kind of compassion that Jesus regularly had when he saw the hurting, helpless and harassed people (i.e. Matthew 9:36) while not accepting or getting comfortable with the sin in people’s lives. 

How should we be toward those that are not broken over their sin but are proud of it and continue in it?
  • The same way we are (or should be) towards anyone who is in defiant sin, we should have compassion, understanding that sin is a symptom of a greater problem which is a lack of deep fellowship and relationship with God.  We should pray – for conviction, for repentance, for brokenness even.  And we should offer hope in whatever way we can (whether they recognize it or not) – sometimes that’s through unexpected and undeserved kindness, sometimes it’s by offering to pray, help, share, encourage, and sometimes it might be by waiting.  But generally speaking we still need to maintain the relationship at some level so we can maintain influence and make wholeness, health and life visible.


  1. Jason Ebeling February 16, 2009
  2. Dean Hewitt February 12, 2009
  3. Jason Ebeling February 12, 2009
  4. Dean Hewitt February 11, 2009
  5. KingMaker February 11, 2009

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